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Land Rover engines since 1958 Land Rover used a number of different engines over the years 1948-98, although all belonged to one of three 'families': 1. The inlet-over-exhaust petrol engines, in both four and six cylinder variants, which were used from the very first Land Rovers in 1948, and which had their origins in pre-war Rover cars. 2. The four cylinder overhead valve engines,both petrol and diesel, which first appeared (in diesel form) in 1957, at the tail end of Series One production, and evolved over the years to the TDi 300 turbodiesel, which remains in production today for some overseas markets. 3. The Buick-sourced all aluminium V8 motor. From 1998 Defenders used the TD5 motor, an all-new 5 cylinder turbodiesel which was dropped in 2007 in favour of a Ford diesel (Ford owning Land Rover at the time). What follows is a short guide to the various engines used by Land Rover since the start of Series II production in 1958. The comments are based mainly on my own experience - others may have different views. The list is in roughly chronological order. To identify your engine, click here for a list of engine numbers. 1997cc Petrol, inlet-over-exhaust: The first few months production of Series II 88 inch petrol had these engines, carried over from Series One production. I suspect that most of the survivors will have been fitted with later 2286cc engines by now. 2052cc Diesel, overhead valve: Land Rover's first diesel engine, and one of the first small high-speed diesels produced in the UK. It appeared in 1957, and was used in Series II production until 1961. Looks almost identical to the later 2286cc engine, but many internal differences. 51 bhp wasn't really good enough even in the late Fifties, and I would be surprised if more than a tiny handful of these engines remain in use. 2286cc Petrol, overhead valve, 3 bearing crank: Must be the most numerous of all Land Rover engines. Closely related to the 2052cc diesel but with cylinders bored direct in the block (rather than the wet liners used by the diesel). Early engines had some weaknesses, prompting a redesign of many internal parts for the Series IIA in 1961. After that, carried on pretty much unchanged until 1980 when the 5 bearing crank appeared (see below). A rugged, torquey motor with few real weaknesses: tends to wear its crank bearings (especially the centre one) due to crank flex at high revs, but will still keep going even when very rattly. Major bore wear is very common but doesn't seem to make a huge difference to power or oil consumption... Series II and IIA had Solex downdraught carburettor to 1968, later Series IIA and Series III had Zenith 36IV. Both can give problems in old age - quickest fix is a Weber replacement, but opinions on this conversion are divided. Some people report carburettor icing, and the Weber has a smaller intake than either the Solex or Zenith, which reduces power output (although economy is improved). A new or reconditioned original specification carburettor will be more expensive but probably better in the long run. 2286cc Diesel, overhead valve, 3 bearing crank: Appeared in 1961 alongside the redesigned 2286cc petrol engine at the start of Series IIA production, and shared its cylinder block and some other components. A big improvement over the earlier diesel: power output now a half decent 62 bhp. But the three bearing crank was a major weak spot: despite being made of better materials than the petrol one, it flexed at high revs and sometimes broke under load with expensive consequences. Fuel injection pump was driven off the camshaft by a skew gear which could wear, giving unstable pump timing and lots of light grey smoke on older engines (although stretched timing chain is very common and causes the same symptoms). One of these engines, if assembled properly, is still just about up to modern use: but keep below 45 mph (55 on overdrive-equipped vehicles) to be sure you don't break anything. 2625cc Petrol, inlet-over-exhaust: Borrowed from the Rover saloon range, in response to demands from mid-Sixties Land Rover users for more power and torque. The big, heavy old straight six was heavily detuned for commercial use. Acquired a reputation for overheating and cracking cylinder heads, mainly due to operator neglect. (Nothing much wrong with the engine, as long as you keep fluids topped up and don't let it go out of tune.) Also it was thirsty and barely more powerful than the four cylinder petrol engine, although it sounds lovely and develops usefully more torque. Parts supply these days is patchy (although the engine remained available until 1980). The Weslake-head 3 litre engine from a Rover P5 is near enough a direct swap and used to be very popular, so check those serial numbers. Mark Rumsey (Series II Club technical guru) adds: "(The straight six) feels barely more powerful than a 2.25 when driven in the same way, but in fact is quite a lot more powerful, around 20% in fact. If you use the full rev range of the engine you can take advantage of exceptional low speed torque, and if you are prepared to run the revs up you can get rapid acceleration. However, stick with the mid range (2000-3000rpm) and its only slightly better than a 2.25. Where the 6 shows it potential most is on hills. Where a 2.25 would start losing speed, the 6 just keeps pulling. Also the Weslake head on either the 2.6 (Rover P4 110 engine) or 3 litre won't fit without modification to the clutch pedal box. However, the early non-Weslake 3 litre drops straight in." 2286cc petrol/diesel, overhead valve, 5 bearing crank: In 1980, Land Rover finally did something about the crank failures which had plagued its four cylinder engines for 22 years. The new crank was so strong that Land Rover could (and did) get away with using the same crank for petrol and diesel engines. These engines lasted beyond the end of Series III production and into the first couple of years of the new Ninety and One Ten ranges. Well worth paying extra for, if you are looking to replace a worn or broken 3 bearing engine in a Series vehicle. Crankshaft rear oil seal design is also far superior to the 3 bearing and easier to replace if it does leak. 3528cc V8 Petrol: The ex-Buick all alloy V8 engine appeared in the Range Rover right from the start of production in 1970, but did not make its way into the company's utility vehicles until 1979. The Series III 109 V8 (or 'Stage One V8') was intended to replace the 2.6 litre six cylinder vehicles: Land Rover's engineers obviously thought the new vehicle would be too fast for its brakes and suspension, so they detuned the engine to 91 bhp by fitting restrictors in the carbs. Removing these takes the engine up to Range Rover spec (138 bhp or thereabouts). The One Ten (from 1983) had the 138 bhp V8 as an option from the start, and the same engine later appeared in the Ninety. The V8 engines were gradually phased out after the TDi turbodiesel appeared, with only a handful being fitted to Defenders as a special order option after 1990. The V8, in all its applications, is a strong and reliable engine, but not indestructible: camshafts wear out at around 90-100 thousand miles, head gaskets and camchains usually go around the same time. These engines can hide serious problems very well, so be suspicious of one which has a slight misfire or is a bit down on power - it is probably overdue for a rebuild. 2495cc petrol, overhead valve: The final development of Land Rover's ohv petrol 'four', with hardened valve seats which allow running on unleaded (or LPG). Lots of torque, and similar power output to the 2.5TD, but without the reliability issues (see below). A much underrated engine: works well with LPG, easy to maintain, and 2.5 petrol Landies tend to be much cheaper than diesels. Buy now while stocks last. 2495cc diesel, overhead valve: Land Rover reworked the old 'two and a quarter' diesel for the Eighties. The injection pump was now driven off a toothed belt at the front of the engine (together with the camshaft) which sorted the pump timing drift problem of the older diesels, and the increase in capacity provided a bit more power. Slow but strong, simple and dependable, this engine remains rightly popular. 2495cc turbodiesel, overhead valve, type 19J: Given the strength and reliability of the 2.5 diesel, you can understand why Land Rover thought it would cope with turbocharging, but the result was a warranty nightmare. 2.5TDs can fail in any number of ways, but the most common seems to be internal cracks developing in the cylinder block. This gives the same symptoms as a blown head gasket or cracked cylinder head, but is not repairable. Due to a defective design of crankcase breather, these engines also tend to dump large amounts of engine oil into the air filter housing, which turns the paper air filter into a soggy black lump. This in turn leads to oil being drawn into the air intake, causing the engine to 'run away' and self-destruct. Land Rover introduced a new cylinder block for the 2.5 Turbodiesel (part no. ERR479) from engine number 19J27515C. I have not been able to confirm, but suspect that this block was strengthened to get round the block cracking problems I would consider rebuilding a later engine, but not one of the earlier ones. In general, if the vehicle itself is any good, the sensible thing to do is to upgrade to a 200TDi (see below), or for old and tatty TDs the 2495cc non-turbo engine is a very straightforward swap, with only the air intake hose and exhaust system needing to be changed. 2495cc turbodiesel, overhead valve, 200TDi and 300TDi: Second time lucky for Land Rover. The lessons learned from the 2.5TD were incorporated into the new TDi engines available in the Defender and Discovery from 1990. The cylinder block still looked familiar (although strengthened internally with an aluminium ladder frame bolted to the bearing caps) but the cylinder head was all-new and a direct injection fuel system was used. These engines have gained an impressive reputation for power and durability. Defender engines produced 107bhp, Discovery engines (with different manifolding and a couple of other small changes) 111bhp. The 300TDi has a single serpentine drive belt for alternator, power steering etc, better soundproofing and a few small internal differences compared to the 200TDi. Power outputs of the two engines are identical. Though no longer offered in Europe (due to emissions regulations) the 300TDi remains available in some export markets. 2495cc turbodiesel, 5 cylinder, TD5: New and much stricter Euro emissions regulations for diesel engines led Land Rover to develop an all-new engine for the second generation Discovery, and this also found its way into the Defender. The TD5 features electronic control of the fuel injection system (with a control unit under the driver's seat), 'drive by wire' throttle and other refinements, all aimed at minimising exhaust emissions. Early reaction was mixed: the TD5 was much easier to stall than the earlier diesel engines (a characteristic shared by many of the latest generation of environment-friendly diesels) and there were reports of oil pump failures, cylinder head problems and other reliability issues - but not on anything like the scale of the 2.5TD fiasco in the Eighties. These early issues appear to have been resolved, but recurring reports of problems with the electronics, especially oil finding its way through the wiring harness and into the ECU. Dual mass flywheel can fail with heavy use. A truly lovely engine when running well, but late 300TDi Defenders fetch more money than early TD5s, so the market is trying to tell us something. Non Land Rover engines: The weaknesses of some of the earlier engines resulted in a thriving industry fitting engines from various manufacturers to Land Rovers. Before the 200TDi, if you wanted a powerful, reliable diesel engine in your Land Rover, a conversion was the only way to go. Popular engine swaps over the years have included: Perkins 4.203 and 4.236 - big, slow-revving industrial engines, lots of torque but not much speed Ford 2.5 York diesel (horrible) and 2.5Di (excellent) Perkins Prima 2.0 turbodiesel (best bit of an Austin Montego) Peugeot 2.3 and 2.5 diesel - slow but durable Almost every Japanese diesel between 2.0 and 3.5 litres These days, the most popular engine swap is the 200TDi. This engine, sourced from a Defender, will bolt into any four-cylinder Ninety or One Ten with the minimum of modifications. The 300TDi needs more work (it is designed to fit the later R380 gearbox, rather than the LT77 used in the older vehicles) and ex-Discovery TDis also need some modifications to make them fit. I have now done quite a few of these conversions - click here for details. The 200TDi will also fit a Series II, IIA or III Landie with some work, and I have developed the '200Di' conversion - basically a derated, non-turbo version of this engine - specifically for Series applications. Click here for more information on the 200Di. Back to information index Click here for contact details. Covering Norfolk, Suffolk, Cambridgeshire, Breckland, Fenland Nearest Towns: Thetford, Brandon, Bury St Edmunds, Newmarket, Cambridge, Diss, Mildenhall, Lakenheath, Stowmarket Servicing, repairs, restoration, MoT test preparation, mechanical overhaul, welding, rewiring, timing belt changes, clutch and gearbox replacement, brake system repairs, steering box replacement and much more || Forum Gallery For Sale Reviews LZ - Live Land Rover Zone > Land Rover Talk > Defender 90 / 110 / 130 How to - Land Rover 90 TD to Discovery 200TDi Engine Conversion User Name Remember Me? Password Donate! Register FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search Defender 90 / 110 / 130 Defender talk n tips. Community Links Social Groups Pictures & Albums Members List Search Forums Show Threads Show Posts Tag Search Advanced Search Google™ Search Go to Page... Welcome to Land Rover Zone! You are currently viewing our site as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, photos and use our for sale section. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today! Page 7 of 10 « First < 3456 7 8910 > Thread Tools #61 11th-July-2010, 00:39 larrynumber1 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Kildare, Ireland. Posts: 205 Re: How to - Land Rover 90 TD to Discovery 200TDi Engine Conversion Fair enough i think the block is same on all 200tdi?.. A lot of ppl recommend going genuine with the crank oil seal, just what iv read, i ordered this one yesterday http://www.lrseries.com/shop/product...err2532&page=1 Last edited by larrynumber1; 11th-July-2010 at 00:41. Reason: wrong link #62 11th-July-2010, 00:58 Langers Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Kent, UK Posts: 1,881 Re: How to - Land Rover 90 TD to Discovery 200TDi Engine Conversion Quote: Originally Posted by larrynumber1 Fair enough i think the block is same on all 200tdi?.. A lot of ppl recommend going genuine with the crank oil seal, just what iv read, i ordered this one yesterday ERR2532 CRANKSHAFT OIL SEAL | shop | www.lrseries.com | L. R. Series Yeah the blocks are all the same. Would probably be wise to go for genuine but I haven't got much cash at the moment and need to get back on the road... with any luck my OEM part should suffice __________________ 1990 110 CSW 200 TDI - FIXED! 1992 Discovery 200 TDI 3-door rotbox - SCRAPPED! "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times." #63 13th-July-2010, 01:12 Langers Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Kent, UK Posts: 1,881 Re: How to - Land Rover 90 TD to Discovery 200TDi Engine Conversion Ok guys, having trouble removing the top bellhousing bolts from the Tdi... any tips on how to do it? We've taken off the engine mounts and lowered her as far as she'll go but it still seems nigh-on impossible to get a tool in to undo the nuts Cheers __________________ 1990 110 CSW 200 TDI - FIXED! 1992 Discovery 200 TDI 3-door rotbox - SCRAPPED! "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times." #64 13th-July-2010, 18:04 Langers Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Kent, UK Posts: 1,881 Re: How to - Land Rover 90 TD to Discovery 200TDi Engine Conversion S'ok, no worries, finally got her out after drilling a few big holes in the floor/transmission tunnel __________________ 1990 110 CSW 200 TDI - FIXED! 1992 Discovery 200 TDI 3-door rotbox - SCRAPPED! "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times." #65 14th-July-2010, 15:18 Langers Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Kent, UK Posts: 1,881 Re: How to - Land Rover 90 TD to Discovery 200TDi Engine Conversion Rightio then... slow progress, but I've now removed the clutch, flywheel and flywheel housing from the Tdi. Bit stuck now, I've got a clutch, flywheel and flywheel housing from both engines, and I'm not sure what combination I need to put back onto the Tdi. Not being a mechanic I'm just not really sure what I'm looking at. Do I need to replace any seals or gaskets? I've got a 'rear crankshaft oil seal' arriving at some point this week, but not sure if I need any others. Should I clean it all up before putting it back together or just leave it as is? Thanks, and here's some piccies I've taken along the way. Holes I drilled to get at the last couple of bellhousing nuts Back of the Tdi So any advice appreciated, completely new to this but having a lot of fun! __________________ 1990 110 CSW 200 TDI - FIXED! 1992 Discovery 200 TDI 3-door rotbox - SCRAPPED! "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times." #66 14th-July-2010, 16:02 Sirus Please pm me with your complaints Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: The Country of Black Posts: 18,026 Re: How to - Land Rover 90 TD to Discovery 200TDi Engine Conversion Use the housing off your old engine and flywheel.....then you aint got no hassles bolting it back up __________________ If God didn't want us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of food. Landrover-Series-Spares Now Breaking Series 2 and Series 3 Contact me for parts. #67 14th-July-2010, 16:04 Langers Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Kent, UK Posts: 1,881 Re: How to - Land Rover 90 TD to Discovery 200TDi Engine Conversion Quote: Originally Posted by Sirus Use the housing off your old engine and flywheel.....then you aint got no hassles bolting it back up Yeah ok then. Do I need to put any new gaskets in or anything? Also which clutch do I put back in... both are in good nick. __________________ 1990 110 CSW 200 TDI - FIXED! 1992 Discovery 200 TDI 3-door rotbox - SCRAPPED! "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times." #68 14th-July-2010, 16:58 Sirus Please pm me with your complaints Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: The Country of Black Posts: 18,026 Re: How to - Land Rover 90 TD to Discovery 200TDi Engine Conversion Clean it up and replace the rear seal. If the flywheel is rusting give a a going over with the wire brush. Oh and make sure you use loctite and torque the flywheel bolts back up to the right torque setting. __________________ If God didn't want us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of food. Landrover-Series-Spares Now Breaking Series 2 and Series 3 Contact me for parts. #69 14th-July-2010, 17:00 Sirus Please pm me with your complaints Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: The Country of Black Posts: 18,026 Re: How to - Land Rover 90 TD to Discovery 200TDi Engine Conversion You use the cltch for the flywheel and gearbox.....i.e. your old un. I would put a new one in though aand a new fork as it could save you hassle later on. __________________ If God didn't want us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of food. Landrover-Series-Spares Now Breaking Series 2 and Series 3 Contact me for parts. #70 14th-July-2010, 17:30 oil dripper Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: ambelingcoteshireland Posts: 4,981 Re: How to - Land Rover 90 TD to Discovery 200TDi Engine Conversion Quote: Originally Posted by Sirus You use the cltch for the flywheel and gearbox.....i.e. your old un. I would put a new one in though aand a new fork as it could save you hassle later on. And mek sure yer flywhells nice an tite __________________ Quote: Originally Posted by Griffdowg Dripper - Legend, thank you. "Remember, boys, I said not to give Duncan the ball at every opportunity. Well, forget it. Give him the fucking ball whenever you can." 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Sitemap Privacy & Cookies Policy Terms & Conditions Friday Holdings This page was printed from: http://www.farmingads.co.uk || LR4x4 - The Land Rover Forum: 110 2.5TD Fuel consumption - LR4x4 - The Land Rover Forum Jump to content Sign In » New user? Register Now! Help Search Search section: This topic This forum ForumsMembersHelp Calendar Gallery Blogs Advanced ForumsMembers Calendar Gallery Blogs Charter Funding LR4x4 - The Land Rover Forum > Vehicles > Defender Forum T&Cs View New Content Page 1 of 1 You cannot start a new topic You cannot reply to this topic 110 2.5TD Fuel consumption I've done a search but found no info #1 Solobyrob Newbie Group: New Faces Posts: 10 Joined: 07-February 08 Location:Saltfleetby near Louth in Lincolnshire Posted 08 February 2008 - 06:25 PM Hello all, I'm a newby to the site so please don't flame me if this question has been asked before, I have done a search but no info came up. I'm very interested in a 2.5TD 110 that's for sale near me and would just like to know what MPG I can realistically expect from it. I've not got a heavy right foot and currently get 40MPG from a Vauxhall Brava 2.5TD 2 wheel drive. My other question is will this engine take a bit of veg oil. Thanks for reading. Rob I like to think the older I get the wiser I become, but I'm not so sure. Land Rover on the bonnet, that'll do for me. Back to top of the page up there ^ #2 Pudock Member Group: Settled In Posts: 28 Joined: 05-February 07 Location:East Kilbride, Scotland Posted 08 February 2008 - 07:06 PM I use to get about 22-23 mpg no matter how I drove but now its nearer 20 as the engine is getting a bit worn. 1988 110 2.5TD HT Back to top of the page up there ^ #3 BoatBuoy Old Hand Group: Settled In Posts: 211 Joined: 07-August 05 Location:Bridgwater, Somerset. Posted 08 February 2008 - 07:51 PM The average RAC truck does 19 MPG. The TD is one of those engines that you either get a good one and it's great, or more likely you'll get one that goes pop at somewhere between 80-140k miles. So I'd say look for a decent rebuilt engine. Others will be along to pass their judgement. Back to top of the page up there ^ #4 wunntenn Member Group: Settled In Posts: 117 Joined: 19-January 08 Location:North of Scotland Posted 08 February 2008 - 08:37 PM I got a good 19J engine in my 110 TD, did 25+ mpg. It was s/h and had done 110,000 when I got it. I put on an Allard intercooler and ran another 80,000 trouble free miles and was recently swapped for a 200tdi, but when it came out it was still running sweet as a nut. Other are terrifyingly useless. I think I was lucky, although it wasnt abused and oil changed every 4000 miles. They're not bad engines, it's just that some of them were not very good, if you know what I mean. Back to top of the page up there ^ #5 lrfarmer Old Hand Group: Settled In Posts: 833 Joined: 07-November 07 Location:Bampton Devon Posted 09 February 2008 - 08:55 AM Hi I used to get 25-28mpg out of my 2.5td 90 but she would only do 50mph but she used to go every were in 5th gear. as long as thay haven't been turned down for the mot thay will do every thing the 200tdi will, with out the mpg or speed. mine was on 113,000 miles i've taken it out for the TDI only as the clutch went i was happy with how it drove.] Tim Tim. 1993 disco 200TDI farm quad. 1986 110 2.5n/a soon to be a 200tdi. out of my disco 1989 90 disco 200TDI engine. 1992 L200 pickup. Member of Cornwall and Devon Land Rover club Hosting the 2010 ALRC nationals 29-30 May 2010 Better To Buy British Back to top of the page up there ^ #6 Solobyrob Newbie Group: New Faces Posts: 10 Joined: 07-February 08 Location:Saltfleetby near Louth in Lincolnshire Posted 09 February 2008 - 05:52 PM Thanks for the replies chaps, it looks like 25 ish to the gallon then. I am a self employed mechanic and I have done lots of work on most LandRovers but I’ve never done a fuel consumption test. I’ve always wanted a LandRover but could never justify the expense of running one, but I’ve decided I’m not going to get any younger and I’ll be dead a long time, so now’s the time to push the boat out. Rob I like to think the older I get the wiser I become, but I'm not so sure. Land Rover on the bonnet, that'll do for me. Back to top of the page up there ^ #7 wunntenn Member Group: Settled In Posts: 117 Joined: 19-January 08 Location:North of Scotland Posted 10 February 2008 - 05:25 PM "could never justify the expense of running one" Judging ownership cost of a LandRover solely on fuel consumption is the reason there are not more people owning them. They dont realise they offer better value in the long term. Cheaper insurance, cheaper parts, longer life, less depreciation (better resale value), home servicing, adaptable, rebuildable etc etc etc. My 'Defender' is almost 20 years old now. A few new panels, a few parts here and there, but it's the same vehicle and 70mph in it is as fast as 70mph in a Toyota Prius, but my cars more environmentally friendly. The biggest environmental cost in ownership of ANY vehicle is the construction - how many non-Land Rovers from 20 years ago are still driving around looking as good as my vehicle? Pretty damn few - they are all in the scrappies and heading for China. 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