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Registration allows you to post on our forums, host photos in our gallery and place adverts in our classifieds. #2 5th-September-2005, 12:02 Mother Guest Posts: n/a Re: OT -- charging by generator On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 10:45:19 +0100, Web Sniffer <web_sniffer1@NOSPAMgo.com> wrote: >I've just bought a cheap generator that outputs 12v/8.3A for battery >charging. >Does anyone know how long this would take to charge a Series 3 battery? Look at the Amp Hour rating for the battery. Divide that by the output of the genny. (55Ah battery / 8.3A = ~6 to 7 hours). This is not a precise science - the math may not be known to the battery concerned ;-) >And is there enough power to use it to jump-start the car (I guess >there's not). No. #3 5th-September-2005, 12:22 SteveG Guest Posts: n/a Re: OT -- charging by generator Web Sniffer wrote: > > I know nowt about generators but maybe someone can help. > > I've just bought a cheap generator that outputs 12v/8.3A for battery > charging. > > Does anyone know how long this would take to charge a Series 3 battery? > And is there enough power to use it to jump-start the car (I guess > there's not). Charging a battery from a generator is not a particularly good idea if the DC is rectified from AC. This is because the rectified DC is likely to have high levels of AC ripple superimposed and batteries don't like that. You can alleviate this, to a certain extent, by adding a large capacitor across the DC output terminals of the generator. Another thing to consider is that if the genny really is a cheap one (as opposed to an expensive one purchased cheaply) then the DC may only be half wave rectified and that will probably kill your battery rather than charge it. If the genny output really is 12V DC then it won't fully charge the battery anyway - that needs something more than 13.5V. As for using the generator to jump start the vehicle; I doubt that will work. The DC current needed to start any vehicle is several hundred amps. Unless the generator has short circuit overload protection I wouldn't even attempt it. Of course, there will be a generator/battery charging expert along in a minute to quash all of the above :-) -- Regards Steve G #4 5th-September-2005, 12:51 Jeff Guest Posts: n/a Re: OT -- charging by generator "> Charging a battery from a generator is not a particularly good idea if > the DC is rectified from AC. This is because the rectified DC is likely to > have high levels of AC ripple superimposed and batteries don't like that. That is not correct, in fact some charger eithe deliberatly superimpose AC or pulse the DC. The theory is that the AC causes the gas bubbles on the plates to disperse. In fact most simple mains chargers have no smoothing, their output is straight raw rectified mains. Snip> > If the genny output really is 12V DC then it won't fully charge the > battery anyway - that needs something more than 13.5V. More like 14 -14.5V to fully charge a battery. > > As for using the generator to jump start the vehicle; I doubt that will > work. The DC current needed to start any vehicle is several hundred amps. > Unless the generator has short circuit overload protection I wouldn't even > attempt it. Agree totally with that. Regards Jeff #5 5th-September-2005, 13:31 Ralph A. Schmid, DK5RAS Guest Posts: n/a Re: OT -- charging by generator Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net> wrote: >>And is there enough power to use it to jump-start the car (I guess >>there's not). > >No. But it should be enough to use it to fill the battery for maybe 30 minutes and then try to start the car. #6 5th-September-2005, 13:33 SteveG Guest Posts: n/a Re: OT -- charging by generator Jeff wrote: > "> Charging a battery from a generator is not a particularly good idea if > >>the DC is rectified from AC. This is because the rectified DC is likely to >>have high levels of AC ripple superimposed and batteries don't like that. > > > That is not correct, in fact some charger eithe deliberatly superimpose AC > or pulse the DC. > The theory is that the AC causes the gas bubbles on the plates to disperse. > In fact most simple mains chargers have no smoothing, their output is > straight raw rectified mains. > SG: See I knew someone would have the real story. I guess I made a bad assumption that car batteries behaved like the ones we use in DC UPS systems. Ya learn summat every day :-)) > Snip> > >>If the genny output really is 12V DC then it won't fully charge the >>battery anyway - that needs something more than 13.5V. > > > More like 14 -14.5V to fully charge a battery. > SG: Agreed, I was just trying to say that 12V won't do the job. > >>As for using the generator to jump start the vehicle; I doubt that will >>work. The DC current needed to start any vehicle is several hundred amps. >>Unless the generator has short circuit overload protection I wouldn't even >>attempt it. > > > Agree totally with that. SG: Phew! Got something right anyway :-) -- Regards Steve G #7 5th-September-2005, 23:47 SpamTrapSeeSig Guest Posts: n/a Re: OT -- charging by generator In article <dfh7vs$g5l$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk>, Jeff <jeff@local.host> writes > >"> Charging a battery from a generator is not a particularly good idea if >> the DC is rectified from AC. This is because the rectified DC is likely to >> have high levels of AC ripple superimposed and batteries don't like that. > >That is not correct, in fact some charger eithe deliberatly superimpose AC >or pulse the DC. >The theory is that the AC causes the gas bubbles on the plates to disperse. >In fact most simple mains chargers have no smoothing, their output is >straight raw rectified mains. Asymmetric AC is _recommended_ for charging many types of battery, including NiCds and Lead-Acid. I once saw a very big and very expensive NiCd battery become very quickly knackered by charging it from a solar panel - steady DC. And before someone jumps in, it wasn't being overcharged and it was top-uppable with distilled water. What killed it was dendrite formation - at least one of the cells went short-circuit. Regards, Simonm. -- simonm|at|muircom|dot|demon|.|c|oh|dot|u|kay SIMON MUIR, UK INDEPENDENCE PARTY, BRISTOL www.ukip.org EUROPEANS AGAINST THE EU www.members.aol.com/eurofaq GT250A'76 R80/RT'86 110CSW TD'88 www.kc3ltd.co.uk/profile/eurofollie/ #8 5th-September-2005, 23:57 SpamTrapSeeSig Guest Posts: n/a Re: OT -- charging by generator In article <r2WSe.102726$G8.58587@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk> , SteveG <_@_._> writes >Jeff wrote: >> "> Charging a battery from a generator is not a particularly good idea if >> >>>the DC is rectified from AC. This is because the rectified DC is >>>likely to have high levels of AC ripple superimposed and batteries >>>don't like that. >> That is not correct, in fact some charger eithe deliberatly >>superimpose AC or pulse the DC. >> The theory is that the AC causes the gas bubbles on the plates to disperse. >> In fact most simple mains chargers have no smoothing, their output is >>straight raw rectified mains. >> >SG: See I knew someone would have the real story. I guess I made a bad >assumption that car batteries behaved like the ones we use in DC UPS >systems. Ya learn summat every day :-)) They don't like smooth DC either - see my other post and the rest of the thread. Incidentally, given how much is known about cell chemistry these days, one has to wonder in the case of some types of battery if the poor charging regimes aren't deliberate, forcing one to replace cells that would last far longer if well treated. 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To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. + Reply to Thread Results 1 to 10 of 10 Thread: What Size Load Liner 90 vs 110 DC Thread Tools Show Printable Version Email this Page… Subscribe to this Thread… 28th Sep 2006 01:28 #1 Highlander2 View Profile View Forum Posts View Blog Entries Visit Homepage View Articles Apprentice Join Date 8th Sep 2006 Location Arisaig - West Highland Coast of Scotland Age 45 Posts 114 What Size Load Liner 90 vs 110 DC Anybody know if the 90 load bay is the same size as the 110 double cab and will they take the same size loadliner ?? Anybody got any good ideas on where to source these or alternative approaches to this. Anybody used the Spray on liners and have an idea of price This is for an everyday working farm vehicle being bought new. Many thanks Highlander (2) Highlander2 www.ormistonhighlands.com Highland Ponies and Highland Cattle - the ultimate offroaders by far !!! Cars- 2006 LR 110 Double Cab, Volvo V70 Estate, Bikes - Honda SLR 650 & Gas Gas 248?, Tractors - MF35 & Valtra A85 4WD, Boats - Trusty 21ft Motorboat + various smaller fibreglass and rubber ones, lots of carts and horse vehicles ! Reply With Quote 28th Sep 2006 08:36 #2 Porny View Profile View Forum Posts View Blog Entries View Articles Td5 specialist. Join Date 21st Oct 2003 Location Sutton Coldfield Age 29 Posts 1,994 Re: What Size Load Liner 90 vs 110 DC Anybody know if the 90 load bay is the same size as the 110 double cab and will they take the same size loadliner ?? Nope... a 110 double cab is shorter. Haven't used any of the spray on lines myself, but have heard good reports about some of them (speedliner) Ian Land Rover Diesel Tuning and Diagnostics - www.irbdevelopments.com Reply With Quote 29th Sep 2006 00:17 #3 Highlander2 View Profile View Forum Posts View Blog Entries Visit Homepage View Articles Apprentice Join Date 8th Sep 2006 Location Arisaig - West Highland Coast of Scotland Age 45 Posts 114 Re: What Size Load Liner 90 vs 110 DC The guy that is supplying it phoned the LR dealer and they said they were the same size ??? Wonder if anybody on here has a 110 DC and a 90 sitting side by side to measure the difference, do not want to buy it an find it does not fit. (Cannot do it myself as I am at work in Far East Russia for another week yet and all we have out here are Jap and Soviet 4 x 4s - Land Rovers do not even exist except for the odd Discovery imported form Japan) The company that makes the liner is called Camelot and the part number quoted by my landie man was DA4168 but that is not a Camelot number so must be supplied through a 3rd party. Have a contact e-mail for our nearset Rhino Liner supplier. Our Speedliner one gave up due to a lack of demand at about GBP#500.00 per jap double cab pick-up. Believe it is probably the way to go but only if a bit more reasonably priced. The Camelot works out about #188.00 delivered. Highlander2 www.ormistonhighlands.com Highland Ponies and Highland Cattle - the ultimate offroaders by far !!! Cars- 2006 LR 110 Double Cab, Volvo V70 Estate, Bikes - Honda SLR 650 & Gas Gas 248?, Tractors - MF35 & Valtra A85 4WD, Boats - Trusty 21ft Motorboat + various smaller fibreglass and rubber ones, lots of carts and horse vehicles ! Reply With Quote 29th Sep 2006 07:06 #4 benji View Profile View Forum Posts View Blog Entries View Articles Apprentice Join Date 20th Oct 2005 Posts 230 Re: What Size Load Liner 90 vs 110 DC 110DC Load bay is 100mm shorter than a 90 plus the fuel filler is in a slightly different location. I recentlly sold a rubber load liner to a customer with a 110DC telling him it was designed to fit a 90 and so wouldn't fit his Landy, 1 week later he comes back effing and blinding at me for selling him something that wouldn't fit Reply With Quote 29th Sep 2006 09:43 #5 timm View Profile View Forum Posts View Blog Entries View Articles Apprentice Join Date 1st Jun 2005 Location The Sticks, North Wales Age 29 Posts 107 Re: What Size Load Liner 90 vs 110 DC Originally Posted by Highlander2 Land Rovers do not even exist except for the odd Discovery imported form Japan A little off-topic, but weren't Discos called the Honda Crossroad or something in Japan? Not sure how that happened 200TDi Defender 90 County Hard Top Reply With Quote 29th Sep 2006 10:02 #6 Porny View Profile View Forum Posts View Blog Entries View Articles Td5 specialist. Join Date 21st Oct 2003 Location Sutton Coldfield Age 29 Posts 1,994 Re: What Size Load Liner 90 vs 110 DC Originally Posted by timm A little off-topic, but weren't Discos called the Honda Crossroad or something in Japan? Not sure how that happened Not all of them... It was only 200Tdi Discoverys that were rebadged at Crossroads (there's actually a few in the UK AFAIK) - this was due to a close partnership between the Rover Group (which Land Rover were part of at the time) and Honda. Later 300Tdi Disocverys were just sold as Land Rover Discoverys... Ian Land Rover Diesel Tuning and Diagnostics - www.irbdevelopments.com Reply With Quote 29th Sep 2006 10:11 #7 timm View Profile View Forum Posts View Blog Entries View Articles Apprentice Join Date 1st Jun 2005 Location The Sticks, North Wales Age 29 Posts 107 Re: What Size Load Liner 90 vs 110 DC Hmmm. It's still a pants name! 200TDi Defender 90 County Hard Top Reply With Quote 29th Sep 2006 12:33 #8 Mikey 110 View Profile View Forum Posts View Blog Entries View Articles Engineer Join Date 19th Jun 2003 Location Deepest Dorset Age 59 Posts 1,016 Re: What Size Load Liner 90 vs 110 DC I can confirm that my DC has a shorter load bed than a ninety. I made my Ifor Williams fit by chopping about 100mm off it. I also got a rubber mat for a ninety and chopped that down. Reply With Quote 30th Sep 2006 01:15 #9 Highlander2 View Profile View Forum Posts View Blog Entries Visit Homepage View Articles Apprentice Join Date 8th Sep 2006 Location Arisaig - West Highland Coast of Scotland Age 45 Posts 114 Re: What Size Load Liner 90 vs 110 DC OK have the liner thing taken care of thanks for the input. I am getting a nice spray on green liner by a company at Blairgowrie in Scotland and they are even coming up to Fort Augustus to do the job. Price is #280.00 which is reasonable after shopping round and will be a proper job. See contact below for Rhino Linings in Blairgowrie. Tel: 01250 873669 or 07860 845575. Rosie Frampton www.rhinolining.co.uk info@rhinolining.co.uk Highlander2 www.ormistonhighlands.com Highland Ponies and Highland Cattle - the ultimate offroaders by far !!! Cars- 2006 LR 110 Double Cab, Volvo V70 Estate, Bikes - Honda SLR 650 & Gas Gas 248?, Tractors - MF35 & Valtra A85 4WD, Boats - Trusty 21ft Motorboat + various smaller fibreglass and rubber ones, lots of carts and horse vehicles ! Reply With Quote 30th Sep 2006 05:29 #10 Highlander2 View Profile View Forum Posts View Blog Entries Visit Homepage View Articles Apprentice Join Date 8th Sep 2006 Location Arisaig - West Highland Coast of Scotland Age 45 Posts 114 Re: What Size Load Liner 90 vs 110 DC What amazes me is the dealer we are buying from Macrae and Dick in Inverness told our accessories man, Chris, at Davidson and Macmillan also in Inverness that they were the same size. Imagine is we had bought the load liner from Camelot we would have been effing and blinding too Never heard of the Honda variant Disco's, all the ones here are TD5's but by far the Toyota Lambruiser rules the roost. The Russian Mafia here love them in Black with very Black windows and occasionally in White. Highlander2 www.ormistonhighlands.com Highland Ponies and Highland Cattle - the ultimate offroaders by far !!! 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